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Comment by Ametrine

Yeah, it seems like it's the obvious solution to the problem... but it's clearly just a red herring.

Comment by sushibar

This needs to be BoE, to give leatherworkers something they can sell.
(Assuming it actually helps. It could improve the catch rate by .001% or something.)

Comment by dakyras

Not consumed on use? This should be a toy. Like all the other fishing stuff that are toys. I hope it becomes one on live.

Comment by Kainser

This seems remarkably pointless considering how little the salmons are worth now.

Comment by sushibar

Got the recipe in 8.1, decided to make it. Applies a 10 minute fishing buff and has a 15 minute cooldown(!)

After 11 PM, I made 36 casts, with ONE salmon catch, for a rate of about 3%, which is normal for late night fishing.

Perhaps, it's meant only to increase the daytime catch rate to match the night one..I'll have to test then. Unfortunately, I can only test in short 10 minute runs, due to the long CD. So far, it's useless to me.

Edit: Tested during the daylight hours. 10 minutes, 38 fish, no salmon. This item does nothing.

Comment by Sugardrift

Applied this to a regular fishing pole. During the first 10 min buff I caught 1 Midnight Salmon. Second buff I caught 2 Salmon and 3rd 10 min buff caught 1. So in the course of 45 min counting the 5 minute cooldown between equipping again I caught 4 Midnight Salmon. This was done between the hours of 8:30pm and 9:30pm pst. Not sure if the lure is a big help or not yet.

Comment by howlingmist

For those who came here to double-check: yes, this doesn't stack. GG Blizz!

Comment by Xenton

The item, Scarlet Fishing Lure created by its eponymous recipe is supposed to "Increase your chance to catch midnight salmon".

There's an obvious pun in the name, referencing a "Red Herring"; a clue that seems to lead to an answer, but actually leads you to a dead end, or in a circle.

Initially I thought this was just a coincidence or was, ironically, its own red herring.

But, after extensive testing; It appears this item does nothing. Leading me to wonder if the item itself, and it's tooltip, are in fact Red Herrings.

I decided to apply the lure and do a huge amount of fishing to try and determine midnight salmon rates and to what extent they were affected by the lure.

Midnight salmon have two spawn rates, depending on time of day.

Between 6:30pm-6:30am: Drop rate is roughly 4% per cast.

Between 6:30am-6:30pm: Drop rate is roughly 1% per cast.

With this in mind I fished up just over 1500 fish during each time frame, the results are:

6:30pm-6:30am.

Total fish caught: 1625
Total Midnight Salmon Caught: 54
Chance of Midnight Salmon per cast: 3.32%

6:30am-6:30pm

Total Fish Caught: 1592
Total Midnight Salmon Caught: 18
Chance of Midnight Salmon per cast: 1.13%

Ultimately, these values are so close to the expected values (In the case of the "night time" catches, moderately lower) It's difficult to believe that the lure is helping at all.

While these sample sizes aren't enormous, they're the best I have been able to do so far with time available. I will be catching more fish over the next week and collating the results.

Side note: The lure has a 10 minute duration and 15 minute cooldown, making these tests painfully frustrating as only 2/3rds of the time has the lure active.

TL;DR:

It seems like the Scarlet Herring Lure doesn't actually do anything at all to midnight salmon cast rates.

I don't know if this is a bug, or an intentionally misleading tooltip, making a joke on the idiom "Red Herring".

Comment by Neuport

Much like most people in the comments I haven't seen an increase in catching salmon in open waters.

HOWEVER I have seen a pretty dramatic increase in catching salmon when pool fishing.

Comment by Grekko

Tested it in Zuldazar. Fishing skill 150 (+15 for Underlight Angler).

The score at that spot before using Lure:

Total fish caught: 6190
Midnight salmon caught: 232
Dropchance: 3.7 %

Then I used Scarlet Herring Lure:
Total fish caught: 300
Midnight salmon caught: 13
Dropchance: 4.3 %

Looks like a slight upgrade. But time to get into details:
Buff is up 10 minutes with 15 minutes cooldown.
So we can assume that it I caught pretty close to 200/100 fish with/without buff.
And now the fun fact:

Total fish caught with buff: 200
Midnight salmon caught: 5
Dropchance: 2.5 %

Total fish caught without buff: 100
Midnight salmon caught: 8
Dropchance: 8 %

Pretty much looks like using the lure is not just worthless but even more DEcreasing the chances to get midnight salmon.

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update

After that i did some daylight fishing. Results:

Total fish caught: 300
Midnight salmon caught: 15
Dropchance: 5 %

That's already far above the roughly 1% drop chance. But even more interesting:

Again I assume i was close to 200/100 (due to 10 minutes buff with 15 minutes cool down).

Total fish caught with buff: 200
Midnight salmon caught: 14
Dropchance: 7 %

Total fish caught without buff: 100
Midnight salmon caught: 1
Dropchance: 1 %

Then caught 100 fish without buff and got no midnight salmon. That got the daylight dropchance down to 0.5%.

I know the numbers aren't big enough to make that test representative. As a "first impression conclusion" I would now say: The lure is completely useless when fishing between 6:30pm-6:30am but rocks between 6:30am-6:30pm.

Comment by sarahhh

The Scarlet Herring Lure increases the catch rate of Midnight Salmon - at least during the day. It appears to bring daytime catch rate (normally 1%) up to that of the night rate (roughly 5%.)

The table below shows the results of a 9 hour fishing session off the coast of Plunder Harbor in Tiragarde Sound, starting at 9AM and ending at 6PM. The Scarlet Herring Lure was applied on cooldown for a total uptime of 6 hours.

Catch	#	%
Frenzied Fangtooth	743	46.67
Lane Snapper	712	44.72
Midnight Salmon	72	4.52
Trash Items	65	4.08

This is a significant increase from the standard daytime catch rate of 1%.

Comment by TinkkerTheMage

Been testing this item out after crafting it, despite reading the comments on it, and wanted to see if it indeed was a total joke of an item or not.

From 5/20/2019 to 5/24/2019 I would randomly equip the Scarlet Herring Lure (I also always equip an Oversized Bobber) without using a fishing pole, and would fish in both fishing pools until exhausted, open waters, and in both Kul Tiras and Zandalar.
I got a minimum of 3 Midnight Salmon during each time I used the item. The other times I either got 4, or a max of 5.
Time of day for my use ranged between the hours of about 6:30am for me (7:30am server time) and no later than 12:45pm (1:45pm).

As of right now, I have been VERY pleasantly surprised by how well this has performed, and I've almost doubled my catches for Midnight Salmon in a short period of time, compared to all of my BfA fishing time already.

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Scarlet Herring Lure

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Use: Attach a lure to your fishing pole increasing your chance to catch Midnight Salmon. (15 Min Cooldown)

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